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The Website of PCC Sue Mountstevens |
Sadly there have been further clashes between protesters and the Police in Bristol. It has been reported locally by our friends at Somerset Live who are also reporting on a protest in Bath, and also in the national news.
The right to protest is one that must be valued in England.
Bristol has been put in the spotlight and some of the protests have hit the headlines for the wrong reasons. Avon and Somerset Police has been forced to respond to allegations by a Daily Mirror journalist.
By and large, Somerset Independents does not get involved in Bristol or Bath, as they are not in Somerset. But where there are common problems, we do.
This is especially relevant now that there have been more problems in the Avon and Somerset policing area, to add to the problems that occurred in Glastonbury last year.
We think it is of public interest to publish the results of our questions sent to the current Police and Crime Commissioner Sue Mountstevens. And her non-answers.
Somerset Independents was formed during the first lockdown to stand up for Somerset's residents and their rights, in the face of Draconian and unwarranted attacks on democracy and human rights by MPs, national Government and also by local Government here in Somerset.
In a letter to Sue Mountstevens in late 2020 during Lockdown 2, our Leader Andrew Pope asked her about "Democracy, Public Health and Human Rights during a Global Pandemic".
He asked the PCC (the full context of the questions is below).
Q1. During Lockdown 2, please tell us how we can:
(a) deliver leaflets. This is not mentioned in the guidance. Yet postal
services continue.
(b) protest in public. The word “protest” is not in the guidance. Yet
enforcement occurs. It is a human right.
(c) express our opinions. The words “free speech” are not in the
guidance. It’s a human right.
(d) vote in postal or online polls. The word “vote” is not in the
guidance. It’s democracy and a human right.
(e) gather to discuss our opinions. We regard our “work” as
campaigning, so please clarify. Freedom of association is a human
right.
(f) exercise our consumer choice to decide what purchases we
consider to be "essential" or "non-essential" to our work? For
example, at street markets in Somerset, which stalls are “essential”
and which are not?
Q2. As for Q1 (a) to (f), but after Lockdown 2 ends on 2nd December.
As you can see below, Sue Mountstevens gave total NON-ANSWERS. She did not answer about during Lockdown 2, because she took so long to answer - it took a long time to even get questions to her. So much for democracy!
All that PCC Sue Mountstevens could manage was the following non-answer:
"As the lockdown has now concluded and the Tier system has been implemented you may wish to view the guidance on the gov.uk website in relation to Tier 2 to assist with Q1 a-f and Q2. This should provide you with guidance as to what is permitted in accordance with the regulations for Somerset. It may also be appropriate for you to contact the Returning Officer for the Electoral Commission who may be able to assist.
"As for operational policing matters, I would suggest that you make contact with Avon and Somerset Police directly to outline your intentions re protest and campaigning to seek advice on what they may consider outside of the regulations. You can contact Avon and Somerset Police via their website www.avonandsomerset.police.uk."
In the light of the Bristol and Glastonbury protests, Andrew Pope responds today (27/3/21) by saying:
"It is very disapponting that Sue Mountstevens was so unhelpful.
I HAD ALREADY READ THE GUIDANCE, WHICH WAS WHY I WAS ASKING HER TO CLARIFY - for the benefit of residents and the Police! In the letter, I clearly said:
'I have read the over 4,400 word guidance". So why did she point me to the guidance again? To avoid answering my questions!
And then Ms Mountstevens gave the usual PCC non-answer of matters being "operational" and not her remit. This has happened when I have questioned other PCCs. It's what they do when they don't want to answer.
The PCC is supposed to be there to hold the Police to account! But Sue Mountstevens doesn't want to. She is stepping down. Perhaps that is for the best.
Nevertheless, the PCC for Avon and Somerset Police refused to answer questions on our hard-won democratic and human rights.
This is supposed to be the person standing up for Somerset residents!
With attitudes like this, I find it very worrying that she refuses to answer about such fundamental rights. And this is especially concerning given the protests in Glastonbury last year and now in Bristol.
If any of the PCC candidates share her attitude, I fear for the future of the PCC role in Avon and Somerset.
I hope that we get a better PCC this year, but I am not optimistic about that."
The Context of the Questions Asked...
*(Leading up to the questions, Mr Pope gave the following context).
"Residents are increasingly concerned with the authoritarian and anti-
democratic actions of Parliament and Government during the current Boris Johnson Government. I hope that you share this concern, which threatens to overload Police resources with unclear law and unwise law.
My concern is echoed by Lady Hale, former President of the Supreme Court, who said recently:
“it is not surprising the police were as confused as the public as to what was law and what was not”.
Government authoritarianism started with the unlawful proroguing of
Parliament, continued with the rushed Lockdown 1 and Coronavirus Act 2020, and has moved onto further restrictions on hard-won liberties, human rights and freedoms, with the latest being Lockdown 2. Serial and repeated policy failures have led to more restrictions – and more confusion of the public.
I attempted to ask the following questions to you and the Chief Constable during your recent “Facebook Q & A”, submitting them a day in advance, via Twitter. They were not answered. When I asked why, I was told on Twitter to submit them beforehand next time. I did! Still they were not answered. Then they told me to contact local policing teams – but the whole of Somerset is our area of operations! Then we hear of protesters being fined – not ours, but protesters nonetheless. We note the statement given to The Leveller below in relation to a protest in Glastonbury recently. This protest was nothing to do with
us, but the response by local Police adds to our concerns. And I quote:
“Speaking after the protesters had been dispersed, Neighbourhood Sergeant Simon Lancey said:
‘The right to protest is well established in this country and is a key part of our democracy. Officers in the United Kingdom have a long history of upholding this, policing by consent and ensuring the safety of all those exercising that right. The protest was peaceful, however COVID-19 is a deadly disease and there are restrictions in place to prevent its spread, including against such gatherings of more than two people. We have consistently said that flagrant breaches of the regulations, which are designed to protect public health, cannot be allowed and we hope these fines will deter people from similar action in future.’”
Sergeant Lancey is most correct in his first sentence. But our concern has only grown, despite the fact that the protest was nothing to do with us, and we don’t know the exact details of what happened. So we ask please to make it clear how Somerset Independents can carry on its work in the current legal situation. We wish to obey the law. Please advise how we can do so.
And following the questions, Mr Pope said:
"I have read the over 4,400 word guidance, but the answers to the above questions are still not clear. Like Lady Hale, I do feel for the Police, council officers, businesses and the public in how such “guidance” can be so long but still leaves ambiguity. Lengthy guidance points to bad law.
Somerset Independents in its “work” does not wish to breach the rules, but like much of the “guidance” released during the Global Pandemic, it is ambiguous, incomplete and contradictory. So in the interests of clarity and consistency, please could you answer the above questions."